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Serein
 Posted: Jun 26 2015, 02:32 PM
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holy hell America welcome to the right side of human history FINALLY

obviously there's still a lot of obstacles to overcome and a long way to go before we really achieve equality but this is still a monumental step in the right direction

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 Posted: Jun 26 2015, 03:23 PM
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About freaking time.

As you say, still a long road ahead, but this is a start.

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Onua
 Posted: Jun 26 2015, 04:27 PM
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I must say, although my personal morals(which say by the way that homosexual activity is wrong, not that the people are evil), are unhappy about this, I will say that, for Scythy, however her name is spelled, I am happy.

However, people are going at it in the completely wrong way. The federal government should never implement such a huge change, it should be by done by state governments. What if all of the states being forced to implement this law? Just a question.

Otherwise, congrats Scythe.

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 Posted: Jun 27 2015, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE (Onua @ Jun 26 2015, 04:27 PM)
I must say, although my personal morals(which say by the way that homosexual activity is wrong, not that the people are evil), are unhappy about this, I will say that, for Scythy, however her name is spelled, I am happy.


For as much flak as you may get for your stance on the issue, recognizing that things that go against your own morals aren't inherently bad means you're being a hell of a lot more mature about things than 90 percent of the people complaining about this.
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Steph
 Posted: Jun 28 2015, 09:22 PM
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My girlfriend and I literally discussed the prospect of settling down, getting a house together, and possibly getting married sometime in the future

I mean, it's been legal here for some time, but now we could do it anywhere!!!!

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QUOTE (Onua @ Jun 26 2015, 04:27 PM)
I must say, although my personal morals(which say by the way that homosexual activity is wrong, not that the people are evil), are unhappy about this, I will say that, for Scythy, however her name is spelled, I am happy.


For as much flak as you may get for your stance on the issue, recognizing that things that go against your own morals aren't inherently bad means you're being a hell of a lot more mature about things than 90 percent of the people complaining about this.


lol as if saying "your love is morally wrong" (or the manifestation thereof) is any less offensive that saying "you are evil." Now matter many weasel words you use, it still boils down to considering what I am to be "wrong," lmao

ngl, I prefer it when people are honest about what an abomination they think my big lesbian ass is

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fishers64
 Posted: Jun 29 2015, 06:44 PM
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My parents are ticked.

Me: http://www.bzpower.com/board/public/style_emoticons/default/shrugs.gif

What irks me is that Christians can't bake wedding cakes or take pro photos of weddings without being accused of discrimination. Whatever happened to the First Amendment?

And there's churches that won't marry lesbians and gays because of religious expression? Are they going to get shut down now?

And there's Christian colleges and universities who are getting the shaft. Which tells me that the government shouldn't be involved in the educational system in the first place. But still.

I mean, the government can choose to make legal any marriages that it wants, I got no problem with that, but when LGBT activists start villainizing religious expression that is against the 1st Amendment and they should all be thrown in jail.
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 Posted: Jun 29 2015, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE (fishers64 @ Jun 29 2015, 06:44 PM)
I mean, the government can choose to make legal any marriages that it wants, I got no problem with that, but when LGBT activists start villainizing religious expression that is against the 1st Amendment and they should all be thrown in jail.


but isn't it within their 1st Amendment rights for LGBT activists to "villainize religious expression"

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 Posted: Jun 29 2015, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE (fishers64 @ Jun 29 2015, 05:44 PM)
Which tells me that the government shouldn't be involved in the educational system in the first place.

Ah yes I too want to pay thousands of dollars to get even a basic hugging education.

edit: I mean, I guess you could have meant many things besides corporate schooling, but honestly none of them would likely be preferable to government-supported schooling, because that's the easiest way to have easily-accessible education for everyone. Which, you know, is kind of important. The alternatives are private schooling (expensive) or homeschooling (eugh), neither of which is anywhere near as convenient as the current system. (And considering the myriad of flaws in the current system, that's really saying something.)

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 Posted: Jun 29 2015, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE (fishers64 @ Jun 29 2015, 03:44 PM)
What irks me is that Christians can't bake wedding cakes or take pro photos of weddings without being accused of discrimination. Whatever happened to the First Amendment?

And there's churches that won't marry lesbians and gays because of religious expression? Are they going to get shut down now?

And there's Christian colleges and universities who are getting the shaft. Which tells me that the government shouldn't be involved in the educational system in the first place. But still.

I mean, the government can choose to make legal any marriages that it wants, I got no problem with that, but when LGBT activists start villainizing religious expression that is against the 1st Amendment and they should all be thrown in jail.

on one hand, i really doubt this kind of stuff is going to be anywhere near as big of an issue as you seem to think

one the other hand, if it is, honestly who even cares

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 Posted: Jun 29 2015, 08:45 PM
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I was going to make a long post discussing the difference between a "wedding" and a "marriage" (hint: the former is a ceremony than can be held wherever and is often religious because lol sacrament or whatever; the latter is a legal thing that you could never get at a church anyway), and discussing the nuances of how "having the right to say whatever you want isn't infringed by people calling ######## on you if you say something hateful," but Lime's post really summed up my overwhelming reaction and made the best post in this thread thus far.

EDIT: god this word filter is tedious

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Serein
 Posted: Jun 29 2015, 08:48 PM
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QUOTE (Steph @ Jun 29 2015, 08:45 PM)
EDIT: god this word filter is tedious


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 Posted: Jun 29 2015, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE (fishers64 @ Jun 29 2015, 06:44 PM)
My parents are ticked.


And there's churches that won't marry lesbians and gays because of religious expression? Are they going to get shut down now?


They should just lose their tax breaks. I'm perfectly okay with not incentivizing discrimination. Making them pay out of pocket to promote whatever nonsense they want to seems fair enough.
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Steph
 Posted: Jun 29 2015, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE (Hellscythe @ Jun 29 2015, 08:48 PM)
QUOTE (Steph @ Jun 29 2015, 08:45 PM)
EDIT: god this word filter is tedious


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fishers64
 Posted: Jun 29 2015, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE (Hellscythe @ Jun 29 2015, 05:35 PM)
QUOTE (fishers64 @ Jun 29 2015, 06:44 PM)
I mean, the government can choose to make legal any marriages that it wants, I got no problem with that, but when LGBT activists start villainizing religious expression that is against the 1st Amendment and they should all be thrown in jail.


but isn't it within their 1st Amendment rights for LGBT activists to "villainize religious expression"

Everyone has freedom of speech. But they shouldn't have the right to shut down legitimate businesses and ruin people's livelihoods when they could just walk down the street to the next photographer, baker, or justice of the peace who will serve their LGBT marriage.

I mean, LGBT people have sued these people and won, shutting down a person's business just because they were following their religion. That's injustice. All of those cases should be thrown out and never taken to trial.
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Steph
 Posted: Jun 29 2015, 10:53 PM
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Guys if, like me, you find this hard to understand; fear not - I've broken it down simply for you:
  • Not letting business sell hate speech or practice Jim-Crow-esque discrimination against their clientele: Injustice
  • Letting businesses peddle hate speech and practice Jim-Crow-esque discrimination against their clientele: Not injustice

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